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Connor
You’re listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun and practical ways.

Jeff
So Chris, today we’re going to do a do a segment. That’s where we’re going to vote who’s most likely yes. And we have these paddles that have pictures on them. So if you’re listening online you’re going to have to imagine just how incredibly handsome we are because our.

Chris
Pictures are heroic and heroic.

Jeff
Yes. Uh, thank you, Robert. Uh, and how incredibly handsome we are in these pictures. But for those of you that are watching online Chris’s picture, if you see Chris’s picture, it looks like he’s talking. Uh, can.

Chris
You zoom in on that? Josh, can our.

Jeff
Expert zoom.

Chris
In there? There you go.

Jeff
Chris looks like he’s super engaged and excited to be talking.

Chris
I’m explaining something.

Jeff
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just happy to be there. Uh, I look like I have gas. Real bad gas, don’t I? My look. Look at my face.

Chris
Whenever. When they chose this picture for you, they did not choose the most flattering picture, I don’t know.

Jeff
Yeah. Yeah. So. Oh, well that’s funny, I don’t know, I have very many flattering pictures anymore, but that was. That’s funny. Whoever picked that.

Chris
Thank you.

Jeff
Well, uh, so this episode or this, this, uh, segment, who’s most likely, uh, we’re going to use our Jeff and Chris faces to show who we think is more likely to do these next five things.

Chris
You know what I feel like doing? I feel like not reading any of them because I haven’t read them yet. Okay, how about you read them and I’ll just react, okay?

Jeff
Okay. Ready? Who’s most likely to open a pizza restaurant? You. Me? I say me.

Chris
Too. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And it’s because I love cooking. You love cooking. And I’m actually not that big of a pizza. Really? Fan.

Jeff
So you’re just not a good Christian, that’s why.

Chris
Yeah. It’s one of these weird things about me where I like pizza. Like one.

Jeff
Of the weird things.

Chris
It’s.

Jeff
I’ve got, like, dozens of weird things.

Chris
I have weird food things.

Jeff
Yeah, I know, I know, you don’t eat chocolate.

Chris
Yeah. I don’t love chocolate.

Jeff
What kind of monster doesn’t like pizza or chocolate?

Chris
And no, I like pizza. I just don’t go crazy. Like people go, oh, pizza. I go, uh hmm.

Jeff
Wow.

Chris
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff
I don’t know even how to deal with that. Yeah. So I like to make pizza. I make pizza at home. Yeah, like like make the dough.

Chris
If somebody gives me great pizza, I’m appreciative.

Jeff
I love to make the pizza on my grill. It’s so good. Okay, here you go. Ready? Here’s the next one. Who’s most likely to get scared by an inanimate object?

Chris
Oh, that’d be probably me.

Jeff
I would say, Chris.

Chris
Although not likely. It’s just that. It’s just that I’m more likely than you because you don’t get scared or.

Jeff
Easily startled or surprised. You’re more.

Chris
Surprised. I would imagine nothing scares you. Almost ever.

Jeff
I can get startled, Jenna. Sometimes in the dark. If she’s walking down the hall. I’m walking down the hallway and I turn around all of a sudden, right. That kind of stuff. Yeah. So she’s spooked me several times where she’ll. She’ll get me. But, yeah, most of the time, uh, well, even though, like, like, uh, our team was trying to shoot a video of me being surprised. And so they set up a couple of very elaborate surprises. Yeah. And I come walking in, and it just didn’t give them what they were looking for. And I didn’t realize what they were trying to do at the first time. Right. And they’re just disappointed. I don’t know why, but I don’t I don’t surprise a lot like that. So. Yeah. Okay. Uh, who’s most likely to become a stunt double?

Chris
I, me I’d say me you really? Yeah. Are you a stunt guy? I’ve always liked that. Okay. Yeah. You know what? Let me just say this. The old me. The old you.

Jeff
Yeah. You are the old you. You mean the former you?

Chris
Yeah, the former me.

Jeff
I was gonna say you are the old you. Yeah.

Chris
Yeah. The former me. Yeah. Before. Before my body took a turn. Okay. I would definitely said me.

Jeff
Yeah. So how many times have you been to the hospital for injuries?

Chris
Oh, that’s a good point.

Jeff
Yeah, because you weren’t trying too hard to be a stunt double if you don’t have a lot of hospital.

Chris
That’s true. That’s true. Yeah. So you’re right. You know what I, I recant, do you recant? I’m going to say you.

Jeff
Yeah, I think I’ve dislocated. 10 or 11 joints and I’ve had 18, 21 sets of stitches.

Chris
Yeah, yeah, I’d say you then.

Chris
I’d say you don’t come close. Okay, okay.

Jeff
Um, who’s most likely to participate in a historic reenactment?

Chris
Oh, that’d be, uh.

Jeff
I think you’re the costume guy. I think it’s me.

Chris
I put you because you love history.

Jeff
I like history, but I’m not going to wear a costume and go dress up and run around and act. Act it out. You’re the one that you’re more of a theater guy.

Chris
Your brain is sharper than mine today because I. I think I’m going to recant again. Are you going to recant? Yeah, because I would totally do that.

Chris
I really would, yeah, yeah.

Chris
I just wasn’t thinking about the costume part. I only heard the word history. Oh, history. Yeah. Yeah, I love the history stuff.

Jeff
Yeah, yeah.

Chris
But but but now that you’re saying, hey, let’s do the reenactment. Reenactment? Yeah. So the actor in you, uh, did you ever see, uh, Sweet Home Alabama with with what’s her name? No, I haven’t. Uh, anyway, uh, but they did, like, a whole reenactment of the Civil War.

Jeff
Whatever. Oh.

Chris
It’s really funny.

Jeff
Yeah. So, uh, that’s that’s funny. Yeah, I think so. You just have this natural actor in you. You love that, right? Yeah, the whole thing. So, um, and then, uh, here’s the last one who’s most likely to send their food back at a restaurant.

Chris
I’d say you.

Jeff
Oh, really?

Jeff
I have you.

Chris
Really? You don’t want to.

Jeff
Send it back? I never send my food back.

Chris
Even if it’s bad.

Jeff
I just eat it.

Chris
Yeah. Really?

Chris
Yeah. So you’re the you’re you’re more of a I’m a foodie.

Jeff
I’ll just never go back. Okay? But I’ll, I’ll, I’ll suffer through what they give me.

Chris
Mostly you’re gonna make me recant again because I will send it back in a heartbeat.

Chris
Yeah.

Jeff
So you’ve changed your mind on every one of these? Almost. No, no. On three, three, three. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris
Hey, uh, the thing is, um, only certain foods. I would say so sometimes if they’ll bring me something like, I’ll say, please, no peas in the shepherd’s pie. Oh, right. They’ll bring me peas. I’m like, okay, I’ll just pick them out. Right. So like, there are certain things that I, you know, I’m not I’m not like a diva. Yeah. But I tell you what I will send back every time a steak if I say medium rare and that sucker comes like medium. Mhm. I’m like I’m not eating this piece of leather.

Jeff
Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Chris
So you’re gonna. I’m so sorry that you did this to yourself. But you’re gonna have to throw away the steak or recycle it. But I’m going to get it. I’m going to get what I want here.

Jeff
Yeah I should.

Jeff
I should, I should be more assertive on that I just don’t I just go, ah I’ll suffer through this and yeah, just I’ll never come back.

Chris
Yeah. There’s only a few times. But I’m telling you, if it’s bad enough, I’ll totally send it back.

Jeff
Well, good for you, man. So is it, though. Yeah, yeah. For me.

Jeff
Well, uh, today, if you’re going to go because you’re talking steak specifically. So you’re going to spend, what, 45 bucks on a, on a good meal or 50 bucks just for your meal. Right, right. And you should get what you want. You’re not being a jerk. They made a mistake. Yeah. You know, you don’t have to scream about it. No, no.

Chris
No, no. Jeff
You don’t have to cuss out the chef.

Jeff
You just say hey, I think you made a mistake. And if I’m going to pay $45, I want what I ordered.

Chris
I’m as polite as I can muster up to be.

Jeff
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff
So there’s nothing wrong with that. I just, I, I typically am just, I don’t know, I get embarrassed about confronting people on. I feel embarrassed.

Chris
Don’t get embarrassed confronting me.

Jeff
Well, it’s because I. I like servers.

Chris
I like servers. You don’t like me? That’s funny.

Jeff
So. No.

Chris
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Jeff
Matthew chapter 23, verse 37 through 39. And then we’re going to read Luke 1331 through 35. Yeah.

Chris
And and the reason why? Because we haven’t done this in a while. Yeah, yeah. We’re actually reading two accounts on two different gospels because we’re doing this chronologically. And so these are the same accounts, same story.

Jeff
We’re going chronological and parallel. Yes. So chronological means it’s in, in the order that it happened as best as we know. And then in parallel means sometimes more than one of the gospel writers will tell the same story. Right? Right. And what’s really fun when you get to do that is you get to look for the differences, right? And it expands more on what, you know. So, um, Jesus is grieving over Jerusalem and this is really a moving, uh, passage. He’s he remember, he’s been around Jerusalem, uh, heading to Jerusalem in and out of Jerusalem here over the last few weeks. Uh, and it says, oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers. How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings. But you wouldn’t let me. And now, look, your house is abandoned and desolate. For I tell you this. You will never see me again until you say blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord. That’s in Matthew 23. Luke chapter 13 says, at that time some Pharisees said to him, get away from here if you want to live. Herod Antipas wants to kill you. Jesus replied, go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow and the third day I’ll accomplish my purpose. Yes, today, tomorrow, and the next day I must proceed on my way, for it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be killed in Jerusalem, or to be killed except in Jerusalem. Oh, Jerusalem. Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers. How often have I wanted to gather your children together? As a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings. Jeff
But you wouldn’t let me. And now look. Your house is abandoned. And you’ll never see me again until you say blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord. So here he is outside of Jerusalem. And it’s interesting. I think it’s interesting that the Pharisees are the ones who reach out. Is it Pharisees? Yeah. Some of the Pharisees reach out and are saying, hey, watch out! Herod wants to kill you.

Chris
Yeah. And, uh, and I love how Jesus. You know, it’s I always try to imagine whether he sort of says it under his breath, like to the crowd or whether he’s making this big statement. You go tell that Fox as if, as if, as if to say, go now, messenger and tell him, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or whether. And I picture it differently, I picture it him like, uh like, why don’t you just go tell that Fox that, you know, and whether or not he was being literal or not. Uh, so anyway, I, I love the fact that Matthew and Luke tell the same story. And I think Luke includes more details. Right.

Jeff
Almost always he. Yes, he was extraordinarily detailed.

Chris
Yeah. And by the way, Luke was a physician, right.

Chris
So he was a historian.

Chris
And a historian. So. So, Luke, uh, you know, his, his, his nature was I think that. Right.

Jeff
Very precise.

Chris
Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff
He had a lot of scientific precision. Mhm.

Chris
And uh, and so anyway, I just love how that it includes that, that part of it. And so Jesus is really saying he’s announcing to people that he’s going to be killed in the city of Jerusalem. Yeah. And he and he says it and I wonder how many people, you know were there that just didn’t hear it.

Jeff
Mhm.

Chris
Mhm. Because he often, he often did that. Right. He, he would say tear this temple down and uh in three days I’ll raise it up. And they said well I don’t know what you’re talking about. Later on the disciples say what did you mean. Yeah. Well and he says, I’m talking about my body. Right. And then they said, what does he still mean, right? Right. Like they still didn’t know. Right. But like, there he is, man. He’s he’s totally he’s anticipating, uh, his own death. Well, do you.

Jeff
Remember a couple days ago when we read, um, it said in, uh, Jesus was going towards Jerusalem, right? He was heading to Jerusalem.

Chris
Said he was always pressing.

Jeff
Pressing, pressing towards Jerusalem.

Chris
Toward Jerusalem. Yeah.

Jeff
And his, um. But he stopped and he was healing people. He was teaching people. So he didn’t let anything distract him from his mission. He was on his mission. And here, uh, I don’t think that the Pharisees are trying to say, hey, Jesus, we care so much about you. We want you to be safe. What they’re trying to do is keep him from going back to Jerusalem. Right? That’s what they’re trying to do. They’re trying to. Because, remember, he had left Jerusalem and he goes out to near where, um, uh, John the Baptist was baptizing. That’s that’s where he was the last couple of days that we’ve been talking here is he’s out near and you’ve been there right down where John the Baptist baptizing near, uh, outside of Jericho. Uh, the Bible described it as the wilderness. Right, right. So he went out into the wilderness, and that’s where he’s hanging out. And now the Pharisees come to him and go, hey, uh, I don’t know if you heard about Herod’s wanting to kill you. You probably shouldn’t go back to Jerusalem, right? Because when he goes back to Jerusalem, all these crowds gather around all this stuff. So what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to interrupt his ministry. And I love the fact that Jesus goes, hey, listen, I’m going to do what I want to do. I’ll do what I’m going to go do my ministry today, and I’ll do it tomorrow, and I’ll do it the third day, too. And Jesus isn’t letting the, the, the, the politics of the situation. He’s not being intimidated by Herod. He’s not letting the religious leaders who don’t think he should have a voice affect him or his critics affect him. So I’m just going to go do what I’m going to do and you’re not going to affect it. Jeff
And I think that’s a pretty, pretty cool way of doing it, is that ministry was not going to be interrupted by the fact that there were other dangers or circumstances around him.

Chris
Uh, and if you if you were in if you were in Jerusalem or near Jerusalem, you’ll know that it sort of sits on a little mini hill, right? Yeah. It’s like it’s not a very big hill, but it’s just a mini bit of a hill. And what happens is it sort of goes, but it’s high up. It’s high up, yes.

Jeff
So the city of Jerusalem sits on, on a small hill. The valleys are kind of steep around it, but it’s a long slope from the Dead Sea. Way, way, way up.

Chris
For sure, sure, for sure but I was imagining in my mind is is like, for instance, if you were coming over where the triumphal entry is, where the Mount of Olives and else. So if you’re outside near Jericho, you’re you’re sort of, uh, you know, you’re on another hilltop. Yeah. And you’re looking over to Jerusalem, which is sort of on an elevated hilltop. And so it looks sort of majestic, and you can see the whole skyline of, of Jerusalem. And so there are people who believe, I don’t know if you took the tour and you’re a tour guide in Israel, but they but they were over on that next mountain where Jesus would have been at this point and said, this could have been somewhere around where Jesus said, oh, Jerusalem. Jerusalem. Yeah, yeah. How I long for you to, you know, gather you like a chick. Uh, like a hen gathers her chicks under the wings. And, uh, and they said this, this would have been sort of the view. Yeah. And, uh, and so I picture and I don’t know if that’s. Nobody knows that. That’s true. Yeah, yeah. But based on where he was and based on the landscape, it is possible that he would have actually been looking at Jerusalem at this time, which is which is why he reflects and says, oh, Jerusalem. Jerusalem. Because, you know, he he he’s to the point of being moved to tears, uh, right over, over them. And so, yeah, I would imagine that he’s looking at the people and just making a blanket statement about the people of that city. Yeah. And and by the way, I’ve heard somebody say this, uh, and I don’t know if this is necessarily, uh, uh, a popular thing, but I’ve always been totally fascinated when I heard an author say this. Chris
He said, this is an image of motherhood. So a hen, uh, you know, gathers chicks under her wing? Yeah, that’s a motherly instinct, right? Right. And so when to protect. And so God created man and woman in his image. Right. And so I don’t know if this gets a lot of play time, but, uh, but this would be Jesus. Uh, uh, showing the fact that, you know, that God has both, uh, you know, that man is created in his image. All the instincts that are just sort of reserved for men. Yeah. And all the instincts that are reserved for women, typically. I know it’s not popular, by the way, to say that men and women are different in 2023, but they are right. They’re radically different. And both.

Jeff
In the image of God.

Chris
Both in the image of God. Yeah. So this is Jesus demonstrating the motherly instinct of wanting to protect, uh, in this moment, which I think is a really cool, fascinating type of thing. Yeah.

Jeff
So, uh, just for quick clarity’s sake, um, you can’t see Jerusalem from Jericho. Jericho is down really low.

Chris
If he’s in Jericho, right?

Jeff
Right. Jericho. But that hill that you were talking about, just on the other side of that hill is Bethany. And it seems like, which is just a few miles outside of Jerusalem. So that hill, um, there would have been this is, you know, Jesus is kind of hanging around the Mount of Olives and on the backside. And then there’s Bethany, and then across the valley would be Bethlehem back in that way. And and then where he was was way down by Jericho. Right. So when he’s standing on that on that hill.

Chris
So you’re aying one of two things. Either a I heard my tour guide wrong, which is probably more likely no. Or B, my tour guide was wrong.

Jeff
No no no no.

Jeff
What I’m saying. So so what you said is if you’re in Jericho, you can see Jerusalem. And I was just saying you can’t do that. But what he did, he’d come up from that Jericho region and was then standing on the side of that hill. That’s the clarity as I was bringing. Clarity was he came from the Jericho region, somewhere down there in that wilderness area, and came up that steep, long trek up the the hills and the valleys to get to Jerusalem. And then from that point on, there are these little valleys, little hills, little valleys, and, you know, maybe, maybe three, 4 or 500ft elevation. You know, they’re not they’re not really big. So standing on that, on that side, Mount of olives side. The reason why he would have been there wasn’t because he was just always camping out in Mount of Olives, but he did that a lot was because there were other towns along the other side of that hill. Bethany probably being his base. That’s where Mary and Martha and Lazarus lived, and he was there a lot.

Chris
So, by the way, Jeff
I’ll just clarifying that.

Chris
Yeah, Jeff
But I do believe that’s where he was standing when he said that, because I think he was looking over Jerusalem in the eastern gate.

Chris
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris
By the way, I know, I think I know, I think you know this, but did you know that the people who make the most money in all of the state of Israel is tour guides? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they have to be educated in all the world religions.

Jeff
Yeah, yeah. And they and they, they get very well educated. There’s a whole college process for getting there like doctors.

Jeff
Yeah, they’re really geniuses.

Chris
It’s equivalent to getting your doctor degree and be be an actual doctor. Medical doctor.

Jeff
Yeah.

Chris
Yeah. Which is crazy.

Jeff
So. This idea of, oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, I love you can kind of hear the passion and the heart brokenness, you know, Jerusalem. Remember, Jerusalem is sitting on the mountains of Moriah. This is where God sent Abraham with his son Isaac. You know, to sacrifice this is the beginning of the not the beginning. But this is kind of the the at towards the beginning of the nation of Israel and the promise of Isaac and ultimately that the Messiah would come. And then later on, you know, um, uh, David comes back and establishes his it comes to that region and establishes his kingdom, sets up his capital there. He builds the city of David on that first little hill that juts out from where Jerusalem sits now. Solomon turns it into this glorious city. All these things. The people loved the city. The temple was built there. The presence of God and the Holy of Holies was there. This was supposed to be the capital of the Kingdom of God on earth, right? And then they wind up sinning. They go against God. They rebel. They find other gods. God allows the city to be destroyed. Then they get rebuilt and then it gets destroyed and it gets rebuilt. And then the Romans come in and they’re being oppressed. And even now, with the in the presence of their creator and the one who established the entire storyline and established the importance of the city, he’s he’s standing outside the city going, alls you guys do is kill the people who come to tell you about God, right? And there’s just it’s not anger. It’s not resentment. It oh, Jerusalem. Jerusalem.

Chris
It’s it’s heartbreaking.

Jeff
It’s heartbreak. Yeah. And so you see, the one who has the ability to call down 10,000 angels if he wants to. Right. He could just say, forget it. I’m going to wipe this place out. You know, all you ever do is kill the prophets. And he doesn’t do that. Instead, he’s he’s. You know, we see another time when he comes back almost to the same spot and he weeps. Remember, the Bible says that he cries and he says a very similar phrase here. Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem. And, you know, you’re wandering like you don’t have anybody who who can lead you without a shepherd. And and so you wonder how God feels when we wander away. Does he hate sin? He hates sin. Hates it? Yes. Despises it. Hates it. We’ll judge it with wrath and anger. But he loves his people, right? So he loves sinners and hates sin. Right? And and so here in this situation, you’ve got this, you’ve got the creator of the universe who’s so, uh, could be and should be so, so offended by them. And instead he’s brokenhearted by them. And it just shows the compassion of Jesus. And this is what you know, it makes you realize he’s willing to do anything to win his people back to the point where he’s willing to let them kill him.

Chris
Yeah, yeah. No. And knowing what’s coming, this is this is a statement that is not dissimilar to when he was on the cross and he said, father, forgive them, for they don’t even know what they’re doing. That’s right. That’s what he’s doing. He’s saying he’s saying like, man, I long to do this, but you know, they are who they are. And what’s going to happen is what’s going to happen. But yet he has compassion, uh, for them as people because he loves them.

Jeff
And then moves into the motherly kind of illustration.

Chris
Right, right, right, right.

Jeff
So instead of being angry at these people, he loves them. He says, oh, I just wish I could wrap my arms around you and pull you in if you could just if you could just know the love I have for you and the protection that I want to provide for you, it just really is almost exactly the opposite response to the kind of response I would have if I knew they were trying to kill me.

Chris
Right. Which which, by the way.

Chris
Is a great sort of final thought for anybody listening out there who feels like, uh, God is so wrathful and angry because you’ve messed up or because you’re, you know, you can’t seem to quite get it right about that sin you’re praying about and you keep on slipping up with and everything else, and just know that, like, like God is going to continue to not only forgive you, uh, but he’s going to continue to give you grace. And he doesn’t wink at our sin. He wants us to repent and turn. He wants us to, uh, try hard and everything else. Uh, but just know that, like, God doesn’t give you what we deserve. He doesn’t give us what we deserve, right? That’s called mercy, right? But then he does. He turns around and he gives us what we don’t deserve, which is called grace. Right? Which is the unmerited favor and love of God. Yeah. Always. Yeah. So that’s a great place to end. And we will see you next time on The Bible Guys.